8 Day Affordable London & Paris

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   I'm going to Europe for the first time and I only have 12 days. I keep getting told I'm trying to do too much. What's realistic?

   The advice you're getting is probably well-intentioned. The biggest mistake first-time visitors make is treating Europe like a single destination. It's a continent with different languages, transportation systems, and cultures. Every time you change cities, you lose a good chunk of a day to packing, checking out, traveling, checking in, and getting oriented.

   For a 12-day trip, these are good rules of thumb:

   • 2 countries is comfortable and gives you time to enjoy each place.
   • 3 countries is possible if they're well connected (for example by high-speed train or a short flight).
   • 4+ countries usually starts feeling rushed unless you're specifically doing a fast-paced sightseeing tour.

   Here are a few realistic styles:

   Option 1: Slow travel (my favorite)

   • 6 nights in one city
   • 6 nights in another

   Example:

   • Paris → Amsterdam

   You can take day trips without constantly moving hotels.

   Option 2: The classic first trip

   • 4 nights
   • 4 nights
   • 4 nights

   Examples:

   • London → Paris → Amsterdam
   • Rome → Florence → Venice

   This gives you enough time to actually settle into each destination.

   Option 3: If you really want multiple countries

   • 4 nights in one city
   • 3 nights in another
   • 3 nights in a third
   • 2 nights in a final city (preferably your departure city)

   I'd avoid spending just one night anywhere. It almost always feels like you're living out of your suitcase.

   A few things that surprise first-time visitors:

   • A "2-hour train ride" often takes 4–6 hours door-to-door once you factor in getting to the station, boarding, and reaching your hotel afterward.
   • Jet lag can make the first day less productive if you're coming from North America.
   • Some of the best travel memories come from unplanned afternoons in cafés, parks, or neighborhoods—not just checking landmarks off a list.

   If you tell me:

   • where you're flying from,
   • what month you're planing to go,
   • whether you're more interested in history, food, nightlife, museums, nature, or beaches,
   • and whether you're flying into and out of the same city,

   I can suggest a 12-day itinerary that feels full without feeling rushed.

   

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   I want to see London, Paris, and Rome but people keep telling me to slow down and see fewer places. Are they right or can I make it work?

   I actually think London, Paris, and Rome in 12 days is reasonable. The key is how many cities you're trying to fit in, not how many countries.

   Those three cities are major destinations, and they're connected well:

   • London → Paris by high-speed train.
   • Paris → Rome is an easy flight (or a much longer train journey if you specifically want to travel overland).

   A balanced 12-day itinerary could look like this:

   • Days 1–4: London (4 nights)
   • Days 5–8: Paris (4 nights)
   • Days 9–12: Rome (4 nights)

   That gives you enough time to:

   • Visit the major sights without racing from one attraction to the next.
   • Have at least one slower day in each city.
   • Enjoy neighborhoods, cafés, parks, and evenings instead of only museums and landmarks.

   Where people run into trouble is when they try to add places like:

   • Amsterdam
   • Brussels
   • Florence
   • Venice
   • Barcelona

   Now you've got six or seven hotel stays in less than two weeks, and the trip becomes mostly transit days.

   One thing I'd suggest is not trying to "see everything" in each city. For example:

   • In London, you don't have to visit every museum.
   • In Paris, you don't need to spend an entire day inside every famous attraction.
   • In Rome, leave room to wander and enjoy the atmosphere instead of rushing from monument to monument.

   That mindset makes the trip feel much more enjoyable.

   So if someone told you that three iconic cities in 12 days is too much, I'd say it's actually a solid first-Europe itinerary. If they were reacting to an itinerary with five or six cities, then their advice would make more sense.

   One practical tip: if possible, book an open-jaw flight (fly into London and home from Rome) instead of returning to your starting city. It saves both time and the cost of backtracking.

   

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   What's the best way to get between those cities? Flying versus train — which is actually faster when you factor in airports and all that?

   For your specific itinerary, I'd mix trains and flights.

   London → Paris: Take the train

   The high-speed Eurostar is hard to beat.

   Why:

   • About 2 hours 15 minutes on the train.
   • City center to city center.
   • No long ride out to an airport.
   • You can usually arrive 60–90 minutes before departure rather than dealing with the longer airport process.

   Door-to-door, it's often around 4 hours total, and it's generally less stressful than flying.

   Paris → Rome: Fly

   This is where flying usually wins.

   Although the flight itself is only about 2 hours, your total travel time is more like:

   • 45–60 minutes to the airport
   • 2 hours before departure
   • 2-hour flight
   • 30–60 minutes to get into Rome

   So you're looking at roughly 5–6 hours door-to-door.

   Could you take the train? Yes—but it's typically around 11–14 hours with one or more changes. Unless you specifically enjoy scenic rail journeys, it doesn't make much sense on a 12-day vacation.

   My recommendation

   • 🚆 London → Paris
   • ✈️ Paris → Rome

   That's the combination many experienced travelers choose.

   One more tip that can save you both time and money: book an open-jaw (multi-city) ticket. For example:

   • Fly into London
   • Travel by train to Paris
   • Fly to Rome
   • Fly home from Rome

   That avoids spending an extra day and money returning to your arrival city.

   A final travel tip: if you take an early train or flight, resist the temptation to pack a full sightseeing day on both ends. Even a smooth travel day can be tiring, and leaving some flexibility makes the trip feel much more relaxed.

   

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   If I had to drop one city, which one should I skip for a first trip and save for next time?

   If your goal is to have the best overall first European trip, I'd actually keep all three if you can. Twelve days is enough to make London + Paris + Rome work.

   But if you had to cut one, here's how I'd think about it:

   If you want the easiest, most relaxed trip: skip Rome

   Do London + Paris.

   Why:

   • They're connected by the fast train.
   • You avoid a flight during your vacation.
   • You could spend six nights in each city or five nights in London and seven in Paris, including day trips.

   It's a slower, lower-stress itinerary.

   If history and ancient sites are your priority: skip London

   Do Paris + Rome.

   You'll get:

   • World-class art and food in Paris.
   • Ancient ruins, churches, and Italian culture in Rome.

   This pairing gives you two very different experiences.

   If museums, theater, and English-speaking ease matter most: skip Paris

   Do London + Rome.

   This is the option I'd be least likely to recommend for a first trip simply because London and Paris are so close together and complement each other well, while Rome adds a distinctly different feel.

   My personal ranking for a first visit

   1. Keep all three if you can—it's ambitious but realistic with four nights in each city.
   2. If you want a slower pace, London + Paris is the easiest choice.
   3. If you know you'll return to Europe, save Rome for a future Italy-focused trip. Italy is especially rewarding when you can combine Rome with places like Florence, Venice, or the Amalfi Coast instead of squeezing it into a broader itinerary.

   One thing I'd avoid is choosing based on a fear of "doing too much." Your proposed trip is already fairly restrained compared with many first-time Europe itineraries. If London, Paris, and Rome are the places you've always dreamed of seeing, there's a good argument for visiting all three rather than dropping one you'll regret missing. Four nights in each city gives you enough time to experience each without feeling like you're just passing through.

   

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